Real raw milk facts? Barf

Posted: April 19th, 2010 - 4:29pm by Doug Powell

I am immediately suspicious of anyone who says they speak fact.

It’s like I’ve told my kids for years – and I’m especially ingraining you, 16-month-old Sorenne -- anyone who has to say, ‘trust me’ is immediately untrustworthy.

So when a web site is named, realrawmilkfacts.com, I’m wondering whose real facts are involved. Is there a publicly available document for deciding whose facts count? We have one, it’s available at http://bites.ksu.edu/about-bites.

And these folks haven’t studied risk perception and communication 101 – facts are important but never enough.

I get all the BS surrounding raw milk – went through all that with genetically engineered foods over a decade ago – and I get all the BS the geniuses in the raw milk movement post about how the last thing they ate made them sick, especially if it was at a fast-food joint (it wasn't).

Any investigation of foodborne illness is fraught with uncertainty and speculation. That’s where epidemiology comes in, to make statistically-based best guesses to prevent others from getting sick.

It’s better than faith-based food safety.

What is most disconcerting about all the chatter around raw milk is the waste of scarce public resources – inspectors got better things to do, especially when there is a ready solution available (hint, it’s pasteurization).

Oh, and we (left, not exactly as shown) speak fact.

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Comments

Amanda Rose says:

I provided feedback to the site and, you're right, I should have suggested they go with Title B "We fail to reject the raw milk null." As a raw milk consumer, I don't actually have an issue with the site. More information/perspective will only improve consumer choice. In any case, call whatever you want a fact (surely I can figure out if it really is) but let me actually make my own choice. Amanda

Posted on April 20th, 2010 - 1:13am

public health type says:

The veterinarian who headed up the creation of this website gave an excellent powerpoint about it during the CDC's zoonotic diseases webconference about 2 weeks ago. Her intent was to provide a website that conveyed the health risks of raw milk to consumers who plug raw milk, real milk etc. into Google. Prior to this website all you got were raw milk advocacy websites from Weston A. Price and the like. The website was supposed to present both sides of the argument with links to Weston A. Price, Complete Patient, barfblog and Bill Marler's blog. Granted I have not been to the site yet because she said the key words were missing and it wasn't ready to launch yet but it sounded like she had many credible scientific sources. My impression was that her intent was not to hit you over the head and say "Raw milk is bad". Raw milk supporters range from back to the earth type hippies to hard-core libertarians and can't be swayed with any argument no matter how reasonable. She's shooting for the people who will back away from raw milk once they know there's poop in it and will make them sick.

Posted on April 20th, 2010 - 3:37pm

public health type says:

Sorry it seems that Ms. Michele Jay-Russell, DVM, MPVM, Dipl., ACVPM, Co-Organizer, AVMA Raw Milk Symposium and Western Institute for Food Safety and Security, University of California, Davis did not deem the barfblog worthy after mentioning it in her powerpoint.

Posted on April 20th, 2010 - 3:44pm

Bill Marler says:

Barfblog readers - please visit www.realrawmilkfacts.com and judge for yourselves the merit of the website. The working group and reviewers inlcuded many epidemiologists trained as EIS officers at CDC or in state health department - combined they have conducted over 100 outbreak investigations, many published in prestigious journals.

Posted on April 20th, 2010 - 4:14pm

Michele Jay-Russell says:

Dear Barfbloggers, On behalf of the working group involved in creating www.realrawmilkfacts.com, we welcome feedback. We solicited input from numerous people, including Barfblog contacts, before launching last week. Until this Barfblog post, we received no specific feedback from Doug about the site name or the content. Real Raw Milk Facts is a dynamic and evolving website and educational tool. Barfblog readers are welcome to send links, commentaries, and thoughts to improve the website. Also, per "public health type's" comment, please note that I am not the only decision maker on the content of this site. It is truly a group effort, including input from the families who are in the videos, and even raw milk consumers such as Amanda who commented earlier on this post. Thanks, Michele

Posted on April 20th, 2010 - 10:11pm

Mary McGonigle-Martin says:

My heartfelt thanks to everyone who participated in creating www.realrawmilkfacts.com

Posted on April 21st, 2010 - 12:06am

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