Modernist Cuisine and food safety

Posted: March 24th, 2011 - 11:52am by Doug Powell

Modernist Cuisine is a six-volume, 2,438-page set that is destined to reinvent cooking. And it may. The reviews have been glowing.

Sam Sifton of the New York Times writes today that Modernist Cuisine “is the first modern cookbook to range into the territory of the Larousse Gastronomique, a heretofore unparalleled culinary reference book first published in 1938, and of Escoffier’s expansive Guide Culinaire, from 1903. It is larger and more far lavishly illustrated than either, with photographs that make both deep-frying and the extrusion of gel noodles appear to be miracles on the order of Caravaggio.”

One of the authors got the Colbert bump last night (see video below).

I’m all for science and cooking, although I wonder what the authors would have to say about science used to bolster the quality and supply of ingredients – genetically engineered foods, growth promotants, pesticides and others.

I don’t know because I haven’t read the book, but I have read a piece the three authors -- Nathan Myhrvold, a former chief technology officer at Microsoft and CEO of Intellectual Ventures, Chris Young, who opened the experimental kitchen at The Fat Duck, and Maxime Bilet, who was head chef at Jack's Luxury Oyster Bar and then on the development team with Heston Blumenthal at The Fat Duck – penned for Scientific American chastising U.S. regulators for babying consumers and recommending cooking temperatures and times far beyond those supported by science.

The Scientific American blog post is best characterized by selective referencing and incomplete claims – the playbook for rhetorical argumentation.

The authors say that “during a recent outbreak of Escherichia coli linked to contaminated fresh spinach in the United States (is 2006 recent?), public health authorities initially told consumers, retailers, and restaurants to throw out all spinach, often directly stating in public announcements that it could not be made safe by cooking it.

“This assertion is scientifically incorrect: E. coli is very easy to kill with heat.
Evidently the officials decided that oversimplifying the public message was better than telling the truth. They may have feared that if people cooked contaminated spinach to make it safe to eat, but either didn’t cook it sufficiently or cross-contaminated other food or kitchen surfaces in the process, more fatalities would result. The authorities must have decided that the benefits of avoiding multiple accidental deaths far outweighed the costs of simply tossing out all spinach. In this case they probably were right to make that decision. The cost of some spinach is small compared to the misery and expense of hospitalization.”

“Oversimplifying for the sake of public safety is a very reasonable thing to do in the midst of an outbreak or other health crisis. It may well have saved lives to lie to the public and announce things that, strictly speaking, are false (for example, that you can’t kill E. coli with heat).”

This is nonsensical. Cross-contamination while preparing the spinach was the primary concern and is by far the biggest risk in home and food service kitchens. We and others have done the research.

The authors ask, “Who pushes back against nonsensical rules? The reality is that the only groups that push back are those that have political clout.”

Blame the man.

Myself and others have been promoting an evidence-based approach to food safety guidelines for decades, and as food safety nerds, we got no political clout.

The authors say that “millions of servings of rare beef steak or completely raw steak tartare or carpaccio are served every day, so if that meat were inherently dangerous, we’d certainly know by now. Scientific investigation has confirmed the practice is reasonably safe—almost invariably, muscle interiors are sterile and pathogen-free. That’s true for any meat, actually, but only beef is singled out by the FDA. The cultural significance of eating raw and rare beef, as much as the science, accounts for the FDA’s leniency in allowing beef steak to be served at any internal temperature.”

There is a huge microbiological difference between a muscle cut that can be seared on the outside, and hamburger or any beef cut that is ground up so external pathogens are internalized. It’s not culture – it’s microbiology.

“Cultural and political factors also explain why cheese made from raw milk is considered safe in France yet viewed with great skepticism in the United States. Traditional cheese-making techniques, used correctly and with proper quality controls, eliminate pathogens without the need for milk pasteurization. Millions of people safely consume raw milk cheese in France, and any call to ban such a fundamental part of French culture would meet with enormous resistance there.”

That’s the stereotype, but when Amy and I were in France in 2007, two of France’s (and thus the world’s) top lait cru Camembert producers, Lactalis and Isigny-Sainte-Mère, announced they were forgoing the status of “Appellation d’Origine Contrôlée” and switching to cheese made exclusively with heat-treated micro-filtered milk (not quite pasteurized but still an affront to purists).

Lactilis’ spokesperson, Luc Morelon said that although they recognize the importance of Camembert traditions, they’re making the change “[b]ecause consumer safety is paramount, and we cannot guarantee it 100 per cent. We cannot accept the risk of seeing our historic brands disappearing because of an accident in production." In response to his critics Morelon added, “I don't want to risk sending any more children to hospital. It's as simple as that." Others believe that Lactilis simply cannot produce the quantities they want and keep using raw milk. According to the Telegraph, Lactilis’ and Isigny’s decision to opt out has now put pressure on the AOC to accept pasteurized milk. It all boils down to business.

Sure, blame the man.

“The United States, however, lacks a broadly recognized culture of making or eating raw milk cheeses. Not coincidentally, health officials have imposed inconsistent regulations on such cheeses. Raw milk cheese aged less than 60 days cannot be imported into the United States and cannot legally cross U.S. state lines. Yet in 24 of the 50 states, it is perfectly legal to make, sell, and consume raw milk cheeses within the state. In most of Canada raw milk cheese is banned, but in the province of Quebec it is legal.”

Do you know how many people got sick and how many miscarriaged due to listeria in raw milk cheese in Quebec in 2008? The 60-day rule is scientifically dumb; that’s why it’s being reviewed.

“Technically, destruction of Salmonella can take place at temperatures as low as 48 degrees C / 120 degrees F given enough time. There is no scientific reason to prefer any one point on the reduction curve, but the experts who formulated the FSIS ready-to-eat standards arbitrarily decided to go no lower than 58 degrees C / 136 degrees F .”

Yes, you've got the time-temperature thing down -- food safety 101. But us mere mortals don’t necessarily have endless hours to cook chicken. Or pastrami (see below).

As a sidenote, two of the authors worked at The Fat Duck, which sickened 529 diners with norovirus, not just via the raw oysters they served, but by failing to report cases of sick people to public health types, poor record keeping, and allowing sick employees to continue working.

Modernist Cuisine may be an awesome science-based cookbook, and I agree that rules need to be continually challenged; it’s also important to get it microbiologically correct. 

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Comments

Erik says:

This is an interesting dialog that you've started up with the SA excerpt. I think you may be talking past each other though... You argue that their microbiology is wrong. But the only example you point out in the excerpt where this is the case is with the beef rules. But even here, the excerpt clearly states that it is the "muscle interiors" that are sterile--nowhere do they say that the surface of beef will be pathogen-free. Indeed, it seems like they are pointing out the conflicting nature of allowing the serving of carpaccio and tartare--both of which have unseared surfaces--with rules for cooking other meats. Regardless, they are discussing rules for internal temperatures, where they say that cuts of beef are not regulated while cuts of pork, poultry, and other meats are. They are using this, along with the section on poultry temperatures, to illustrate the way that culture guides food safety guidelines. This, as well as the spinach section, speaks to their larger frustration with more factors entering food safety recommendations than just safety considerations. I think they're arguing that more information should be given, not less. They want time-temperature data, information about cross contamination hazards, etc to be promulgated, not hidden. I think it's reasonable to argue both sides of that (more info will allow more flexible cooking while still being safe vs more info will just cause confusion), but that doesn't mean they're wrong scientifically. Oh, and mere mortals don't have days to cook a short rib. But mere mortals also don't cook sous vide.

Posted on March 24th, 2011 - 1:31pm

Cornfields says:

I don't really see how you have provided a more "microbiologically correct" view on the topic. I don't really see much here besides sarcasm. As an academic, it's not what I expect from an .edu domain. If you want to criticize selective referencing and incomplete claims, then it is incumbent on you to point these out and to evidence this criticism. As far as I can tell, you do not. I also find your refrain "sure, blame the man" (are you suggesting an ad hominem?) a bit hypocritical when you end with a rather sleazy bit of guilt by association concerning Fat Duck (or was your criticism fair, but simply "imcomplete" and "unreferenced"?) Would it be fair for me to criticize your work by simply mentioning apparently unrelated events at KSU? You characterize their discussion of E Coli, as "nonsensical," and yet you really just argue past them. Perhaps better to explain that their discussion was off-point, but then that actually concede that. And you don't actually explain your point very well. You are worried about cross-contamination and they are worried killing E Coli. Again, in regards to the issue of push back and clout, you seem to be talking past each. Why? Because you seem to feel that you are not getting enough credit. Join the line. But in doing so, you actually concede their point. You admit that you have no clout. Pushing back, works best with clout, by definition. That's what clout is. But I don't think their point is aimed at the noble cloutless like yourself, but rather at the fact that lobbyists have a prime seat at the regulation-writing table, and they are primarily interested in profits not safety per se. You claim that the idea of French people eating raw milk cheese safely is a "stereotype" (whatever you mean by that exactly), but then provide no food safety data refuting their point. Instead you provide a personal anecdote of a company switching to pasteurized milk based on a hypothetical. (I believe that the most famous case of cheese poisoning which did away with raw Mont'dor was actually traced after the fact traced to a different pasteurized cheese). I am not making a claim about the safety of raw milk cheese, but then lots of activities are unsafe. Which brings me to the issue of culture, which you dismiss without real discussion. The authors suggest that food safety practices are in-part culturally rooted. Is this really so contentious? For example, why do we serve or make luncheon meats when they are a common source, like raw cheese of listeria? Or raw vegetables? Why not cook everything in a pressure cooker to be safer? Well, in part, culture. Culture also determines what we judge safe. apprx 2,500, many already health-compromised, become seriously ill from listeria. But how many often healthy people DIED from riding in cars more than 33,000 (lord knows how many were seriously injured). So why not eat raw cheese, but ride around less in the car? Again safety is culturally constructed. As I like to say, if people really cared about head injuries they would wear them in the bath and when going down the stairs, because statistically that's where they are most likely to occur, but then culturally that would be silly. Lastly, as for the comments about mere mortals and endless hours, well, think about it, they have written a 500 dollar cookbook mainly for kitchen professionals, who often use techniques like sous vide. And furthermore your comments about hours is misleading, often the difference is minutes, and those minutes can radically change the texture and taste of a dish. Perhaps, if you have evidenced or referenced your point...

Posted on March 25th, 2011 - 6:57pm

Larry says:

The emperor parades his new clothes. Probably the most self centered epic of our modern times. Wall street was revealed to be greedy and excessive beyond America's wildest dreams. Meanwhile in no where town this guy was working on a cookbook to match. Just a little late getting it out. You know what most Americans want? The want to be able to afford to buy food. They want be able to eat everyday. No one wants a $625.00 cook book filled with equipment and ingredients that are completely out of touch with main stream America

Posted on March 25th, 2011 - 7:45pm

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